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Dogs: Dauchshund back legs paralized

Postby Angela Farar » Tue Jul 04, 2006 5:56 pm

My dauchshund Tinkerbell has resently become paralized. She is unable to move her back legs. I have been able to get her to poop outside but I can't get her to pee outside anymore. She will only go in the house in her pen or on a puppy pad. I just wish I could get her to go outside again. Anyone know any tricks?
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Re: Dogs: Please Get Tinkerbell to a Vet

Postby Cindidoxiemom » Tue Jul 04, 2006 6:23 pm

Hello and welcome,
Have you taken Tinkerbell to a neurologist? Many times with proper treatment, either sugery, or steroids and crate rest, these dogs can walk again. If you do not provide treatment, this could become a permanate condition.
I am VERY CONCERNED that Tinkerbell can't urinate. It sounds like she has lost bladder control and can no longer empty her bladder. The urine you see in the house is her leaking because her bladder is overflowing. THIS IS DANGEROUS...she could get a horrible infection. You really MUST take Tinkerbell in to the vet for help hon. This is a serious situation.
She will need to have her bladder expressed.
I speak from experience...I have a paralyzed dachshund, and one that has had two surgeries and is walking after being paralyzed.
Give me her history...when did she go down? what treatment are you giving her or have tried. I will offer more suggestions once I know more...but get her to a vet to be expressed!
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Re: Dogs: Please Get Tinkerbell to a Vet

Postby Cindidoxiemom » Tue Jul 04, 2006 6:25 pm

How to express:
http://www.handicappedpets.com/Articles/express/

Dodger's List: an excellent resource for dogs with IVDD:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Dodgerslist/messages
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Re: Dogs: Please Get Tinkerbell to a Vet

Postby CarolC » Tue Jul 04, 2006 6:38 pm

Hi Angela,

I agree with Cindi. I have a paralyzed chihuahua. The same problem that makes the back legs not work can make the bladder not work. The bladder fills up with urine but the dog cannot pee because she can't get her peeing muscles to work, just like she can't get her walking muscles to work. Then the dog is full of urine and leaks in bed. The longer the urine stays in the bladder, the more germs grow in it. Then the dog gets an infection. This can even be fatal. Cindi is right, your dog needs to be seen by a vet right away.

When Cindi is talking about expressing the bladder, she means a method where you can squeeze your dog's tummy and make her bladder empty (since she can't do it herself). Here is a website giving examples. But you need to have the vet show you how to do it.

<a href="http://handicappedpets.com/wiki/index.php?title=Express_a_dog_or_cat">http://handicappedpets.com/wiki/index.php?title=Express_a_dog_or_cat</a>

Here is a webpage explaining what to do when your dog becomes paralyzed.

<a href="http://www.dodgerslist.com/faqs.html">http://www.dodgerslist.com/faqs.html</a>

Please update when you know more, or if you have any more questions. There are a number of people here who have been through this.
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Re: Dogs: Dauchshund back legs paralized

Postby Angela Farar » Wed Jul 05, 2006 12:40 am

Sorry, I should have gone into greater detail. She has been to a vet and had steroid treatment and crate rest for two weeks. She has also been back to the vet for a checkup after her crate rest. She has been acting better but was unable at this point to regain any use of her back legs. She seems comfortable (not in any pain). She can put a little weight on her back legs and stand on her own for a minute. The vet told me to slowly increase her activity and to start looking into buying her a wheelchair. I told the vet about her not wanting to pee outside, only in her pen. When she goes it is a healthy amount though ( not just a little leaking). The vet checked her bladder and said that it felt normal. So it's not a serious situation but I just thought maybe someone might have suggestions for getting her to pee outside again. She has always been the kind of dog to want to go for long walks to go potty. She never has been the kind of dog to just walk out in the yard and go. Now that she can't go far I don't know how to get her to go pee outside again. Maybe after I get her wheelchair she will. Do you think? Thanks you for responding!
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Re: Dogs: Dauchshund back legs paralized

Postby connie » Wed Jul 05, 2006 5:00 am

hello, like the others said, get her to a vet right away. and she will need complete crate rest till she heals. my yorkie mix had a ruptured disk in nov. he became paralyzed all at once. he had surgery and had to be crated for 6 weeks. then we started p.t. and hyrotherapy to regain use of legs. he is still paralyzed , but now he can stand, spinal walks and runs all over.
first find out why your dog was paralyzed, visit to vet is important!!! good luck to you, your in my prayers.

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Re: Dogs: Dauchshund back legs paralized

Postby connie » Wed Jul 05, 2006 5:05 am

did vet say what caused her to be paralyzed?
2 weeks of crate rest doesn't sound like much time, but i am not a vet. mine made me crate cricket for 6 weeks after surgery. he said if we had known it was a disk and if we had crated her for 4 to 6 weeks , he would have healed on his own and no surgery. but i guess everyone is different. sure hope she recovers. i have to empty cricket's bladder, he can't do it, just fills up.

good luck, keep us updated.

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Re: Dogs: Dauchshund back legs paralized *LINK*

Postby Paul Coover » Wed Jul 05, 2006 6:47 am

Well, I would have to agree that 2 weeks of crate rest is not much time, but if the vet says OK, then I will not argue. Perhaps your dog has lost control of the bodily functions? I have 2 paralyzed dachshunds, and they are both incontinent. They do go, but they have no control of when (or where) that is. Maybe this is the case for you.

You mention that your doxie can stand a little? That can be a very good sign! We have a dachshund named Riley that we adopted as a downed dog, but he got up one day and started walking on his own. For more on his story, click the link below. Good luck and keep us posted!

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Re: Dogs: Dauchshund back legs paralized

Postby Cindidoxiemom » Wed Jul 05, 2006 7:57 am

Two weeks is not enough time for crate rest. Is she still on prednisone? Consider recrating your dog for 6-8 weeks...carry her outside to potty. Is she pottying in her crate? Regular vets are well meaning and excellent at their craft, but the treatment of IVDD really does require a specialist in my opinion. I mean that is why we have Neuro specialists isn't it? Consider taking her to a neuro, and back to the crate. Did you join Dodger's List?
Angela, your dog still has bladder control, and this means most likely had deep pain. Based on my years of experience with this disease she still has a chance to walk. If you allow her to move too much or put her in a cart right now, she may lose her deep pain AND her bladder control...then you will have to express her 3 times a day for the rest of her life. Good to Dodger's post there...
Suggestions:
1,Take her to a neurologist/surgeon and let them do a myelogram to determine the extent of the damage to the cord. Let the specialist determine if there is deep pain and bladder.
2. Crate rest for 6-8 weeks. This may seem like a long time, but time and experience has proven it to be appropriate.
3. Try a holistic Vet..they offer acupumcture that has shown to help IVDD dogs as well.
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Re: Dogs: Dauchshund back legs paralized

Postby Jane Scott » Wed Jul 05, 2006 3:02 pm

Hi! The experience I have had with my downed dacshund Harley (disc injury May 12th) was: no surgery (no one to do it on a weekend); had crate rest for close to 6 weeks and is recouperating well. He can stand, can pull himself up and run a few wobbly steps, then goes scooting along. He too lost bladder/bowel control and for the first couple of weeks he leaked alot until we humans figured out how to express properly. I believe his brain is not receiving the messages that "hey I have to pee/poop" until it is imminent. The signal that makes him "ask" to go out is not happening until it's too late. He certainly is aware when it's coming out and he looks at us as if too say "hey it's not my fault I didn't get to the door" So perhaps this is what's happening for your dog. I know when Harley was first (completely) paralysed he had no awareness of peeing or pooping. Best of luck. Jane
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Re: Dogs: Dauchshund back legs paralized *PIC*

Postby Marcy » Fri Jul 07, 2006 9:38 am

Hi
our mini dauchshund, Lucky Boy (4 and 1/2 years old), just had surgery for a ruptured disc by a neurologist vet a week and a half ago. He is healing well, is on meds, crate rest, is eating, drinking water, peeing whenever and pooping once a day. He became paralyzed on Monday, June 26th. We took him to our vet who then sent us to a specialist because she told us the surgery has to be preformed quickly if it is going to work well. I have purchased doggie pads from our local Walmart to use as a liner under him to catch urine when he goes. It works well. We change it often so he isn't uncomfortable (he doesn't like to be wet with urine and is constantly liking himself or the cloth he is lying on. The pad draws the fluid away so today I will be trying to let him lay only on the pad. Hopefully he won't try to rip up the doggie pad (he did this the first night that is why I have been putting a towel/cloth over it). Oh yes, he likes to be rinsed off in the wash sink with the sprayer. This has really helped make him comfortable,stop him from itching, and helped promote the healing process of his back surgery.
I want to Thank you for this website because seeing the pictures of other disabled pets and hearing about other dauchunds with similiar problems makes it easier to know we are not alone out here. I'll keep you all in my prayers and hope you do the same for our Lucky Boy. He sure is a character and has a great personality.
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Re: Dogs: Dauchshund back legs paralized

Postby CarolC » Fri Jul 07, 2006 9:36 pm

Hi Marcy,

It sounds like things are going really well--that's good news. Yes, there are quite a few dachshunds here! :) Have you seen Dodgers List and AbleDogs yet? You might like them, too.

<a href="http://www.dodgerslist.com">www.dodgerslist.com</a>

<a href="http://www.abledogs.net">www.abledogs.net</a>
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Re: Dogs: Dauchshund back legs paralized

Postby Angela Farar » Sun Jul 09, 2006 1:36 am

Hi everyone! Just thought I'd update you on Tinkerbell. She seems to be doing better. She is scooting around on the floor a little now and I keep wondering if she is going to get up and walk again one day because I've seen her move her back legs while trying to scoot along several times. I keep hoping. I would have done the whole surgery thing but I really could'nt afford it and I heard so many horror stories before finding this web site. It's a good sign that she is moving her back legs some though isn't it? She really seems pretty happy though. She wags her tail all the time. Thankyou all for your advice! Angela
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She still needs to be on crate rest

Postby CarolC » Sun Jul 09, 2006 7:18 am

Hi Angela,

It's good to hear she seems happy and can wag her tail. You said her problems started about two weeks ago, didn't you? Normally she would still be on crate rest, which means she would not be scooting around at all. Crate rest is done whether the dog has surgery, or just has medical treatment (steroids) like your dog. It is normally not less than 4 weeks (I've had two dogs who both did 4 weeks) and can be for up to 10 weeks. I know it sounds boring to put her in a crate 24/7 for several weeks, but that is the best way to let her back heal. Her disk problem can't heal if she keeps moving around.

A disk is a soft pillow filled with fluid. It is between two boney vertebrae in your dog's back. When a disk is injured, it gets squished out of shape so it isn't round any more. Part of it pushes on the spine and nerves coming out from the spine, and that is what causes paralysis. If the dog is put on strict rest (in a crate with only enough room to turn around, and only comes out to potty, then right back in) and stays resting for a number of weeks, sometimes the disk will plump back up and go back to its original round shape. Then it stops pressing on the spinal cord and function can begin to return. The purpose of the steroids was to help get the swelling down around the spine where the injury occurred--that also helps function return.

If you just let your dog move around right now while the disk is squished out of shape, it can't get any better and it may get worse. Then you would have a dog who not only cannot walk, but cannot even urinate without help. This is a complication you want to avoid if you possibly can. Those of us here who have been expressing our dog's bladder for years (squeezing the bladder to empty it) can tell you how much better it is for the dog <u>and you</u> to avoid that. I would strongly recommend you crate your dog and give her more time to heal properly.

Here is a webpage explaining the guidelines for crate rest. The webpage is from <a href="http://www.dodgerslist.com">Dodger's List</a> where they have over 900 dogs on file who have had back problems like your dog, so they know what works.

<a href="http://www.dodgerslist.com/lit/After_Surgery.htm">Crate rest guidelines</a>

I'm sorry, because I know nobody likes to put their dog on crate rest. The dog may seem bored and want to come out to play. But this is one of those cases where you are the human and know what's best, and you have to use tough love for your dog's sake. I would go ahead and put her back on crate rest and be firm. Hopefully, you will see even more improvement if she has more time to heal.
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Re: Dogs: Dauchshund back legs paralized

Postby connie » Sun Jul 09, 2006 4:39 pm

i agree 100% with carolc. tinkerbell needs the crate rest . if not more damage can happen. cricket had to be crated for 6 weeks. my vet said if i had crated him before (if we had only known), he wouldn't had had a ruptured disk. like carol said, pet won't be happy, but it needs to heal, so please crate till then.
keep us informed and good luck.

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