Rescued cat with tail pull injury. Fecal incontinence + quality of life

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Actuadoc94 wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2024 1:56 pm
Spot is pooping plenty GOOD so I don't think we need to break up her poop yet, but we will keep that option in mind. Most of her poop is getting in the litterbox, and maybe a small amount on the bathroom floor / her sleeping cardboard box.

The vet did take a stool sample at the vet initially. They found roundworm and she was given fenbendazole. The plan is to give her another dose in about a week (three weeks after the initial dose). We are hopeful that she has roundworm still (weird thing to say) and the second dose could offer more incontinency improvement.
I never heard of fenbendazole, but I see it's Panacur (I've heard of that). I hope the second round helps. Who knows how long she's had the worms. Roundworms can transmit to humans, but I don't know anyone it's happened to. Her little room looks very easy to keep clean. :thumbup:

She does have perfect bladder control as far as we can see. She has never peed outside of the litterbox in the two weeks we have had her home. It is encouraging that you believe this is very encouraging!
If she has perfect bladder control, I'd be inclined to be optimistic. There is an article that has been cited on this forum for many years. It was published in 2002 and first posted here in 2006 and I see it was just updated last year. It does not let you copy/paste but here is the link.
https://veterinarypartner.vin.com/defau ... id=4951820
It says some tail pull injuries may not show on x-ray if the bones are intact. It also says bladder control usually returns in a week to a month if it's going to, but tail function and sensation take longer. Your cat has bladder control and it hasn't been nearly a month, so that's what's encouraging, if this is a tail injury.

My partner is a doctor, YAY! so she would probably be good with the sub q fluids. The vet did say she was likely still dehydrated at her follow up last Friday. We have been only giving her the Royal Canin Gastrointestinal Fiber Response food (mostly the wet to address the dehydration).
It takes good hydration to have plenty of saliva to groom. I'm not sure why your kitty would still be dehydrated on follow-up if she has her own water bowl and is also getting canned food. It would be more expected in a senior cat, but she's young.
We believe that she is able to move the base of her tail very slightly. It is always limp when she is standing, but when she stretches, she is able to extend it. Here is a video of her "swinging" her tail away from her body during a stretch. But we have never seen the tail "up".

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CxCNcO ... drive_link

Her tail is up better than my Mordecai's was right after the potted plant fell on him years ago. His was really hanging down like a horse's tail. It did get better though he was only able to get it to about 90-95% full height after he recovered. He must have just been bruised because he didn't have incontinence with his. I know it was a potted plant because I found the plant on the living room floor, and the plant stand tipped over.
We have been able to get her to react if we pinch her tail closer to the base, but we can't get her to react if we pinch it further down. The vet even said that the tail feels a little cold compared to the rest of her body. She suggested amputation as a potential option later down the line, but we want to see how she is once she is more stable first.

I'm not sure if her anus is closed all the time. We'd have to take a look. I feel bad for being so squeamish. My partner has been handling more of the dirty stuff lately.
Do you have disposable gloves? They might make the cleaning easier.
The vet did take x-rays initially to check out the obstipation situation when we first brought her in. Unfortunately, that x-ray doesn't capture her entire tail. However, the vet did say her pelvic area was healthy. Here are the two x-rays we have. The vet was kind enough to do these for free, but we're not sure if it's worthwhile paying >$500 for an x-ray of her tail.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/14DYDzS ... drive_link

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xPJz1I ... drive_link
I can't see anything, but I'm pretty hopeless with x-rays unless it's something glaringly obvious. I can't even be sure if I'm seeing her colon or not, and I can't see any breaks or obvious irregularities in the tail area.
Thank you for your time and effort. I understand that nobody can confidently say where she will be down the line, or what her new normal looks like. But I sincerely appreciate the extra opinions and suggests for nursing care.
Everything you say makes her sound better than I thought. 100% bladder control, eliminating well and most of the poop in the litter box. Eating well I guess? There is a skin turgor test you can do to see if a cat is dehydrated. You pinch the skin and pull it up away from the body and observe how readily it snaps back. There are a lot of videos on it. Here is one (sorry about the music but the video part is good.) He calls it a "skin tent test". https://www.youtube.com/shorts/GBqXzPyqf9w. You can also learn to recognize kind of a hollow-eyed appearance in the face if they are dehydrated.
I watched the 3 videos in the other post. Thanks for fixing the Google Drive permissions. I agree it looks like there might be a mobility issue in her hindquarters. She is walking well enough but it takes a lot of careful maneuvering to get into position to groom her bottom. In one of the videos it looks like she is weight-shifting to have more weight over her front legs, but I can't be sure. If her hips and pelvis are OK, then I'm not sure what it is, but I saw something in the article linked above that said 46% of cats with tail pull injuries also had either pelvic fractures or sacroiliac dislocations. The vet ruled out a pelvic fracture...don't know. I don't know if you have an option to have the x-rays read by a radiologist. Maybe they would see something a regular vet would not. I don't know what kind of extra charge that might incur.

The only real suggestion I can think of would be to maybe get her something soft to sit on for grooming? You could enclose it in a garbage bag (if you have any that are unscented) and put a towel over it or something. I'm just thinking if her hindquarters are sore from an accident, she might be able to settle into grooming position better on something soft? The little sherpa kennel mats are padded and machine washable and have a loop to hang dry. Here's an example. https://www.chewy.com/midwest-quiet-tim ... e/dp/45717

EDIT TO ADD: I just found an old thread about Miralax and lactulose and part of it is pretty funny. The cat in the thread is Libby, who I mentioned before. You might get a smile out of this (if you have time) or be able to relate to some of it. I was trying to go back and see what happened with the cisapride. She didn't stay on it but I can't remember why, and it looks like I didn't post about why we quit cisapride, so I don't know. :roll:
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Re: Rescued cat with tail pull injury. Fecal incontinence + quality of life

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Hello,

Thank you all for your helpful messages. It is extremely appreciated. I am posting a brief update on Spot.

Our vet has initially put Spot on Miralax. We have been weaning her off of it (now she just gets one dose every three days). This has helped her incontinence, although there is still a little bit of leakage in her bed.

We would like to eventually get her to the point where she doesn't take any stool softener. But we have to make sure that it doesn't cause her to get backed up again. I hope that she was originally backed up because she was dehydrated / unable to find water with her injury.

Because Spot still cannot move her tail pass the base, and doesn't groom it, it often gets dirty. We are likely going to get it amputated. Is there any chance this will help her incontinence? I tried searching this forum but couldn't really found too many past experiences.

Thank you - just curious if anybody has any had improvement with fecal incontinence by ceasing medicine / tail amputation.
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Actuadoc94 wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2025 7:30 am just curious if anybody has any had improvement with fecal incontinence by ceasing medicine / tail amputation.
I've never heard of improvement in fecal incontinence as a result of tail amputation. I am not a vet but would think the incontinence is likely due to nerve injury from the tail pull. That is likely still healing as it's only been 2 or 3 months, hasn't it? You said she can move it from the base. That's pretty cool. I don't know how much healing will occur or whether she'll be able to lift it someday, but nerves heal very slowly, so I would guess some healing is still occurring, even though she looks much the same. Sometimes people do a tail amputation to prevent the cat catching it in a door and possibly doing more damage. If she's not grooming, it might help to shave her bottom and tail area anywhere she's getting soiled. It would help prevent cling-ons and make bathing her easier if you are doing "butt baths". Is she not grooming because she has a hard time getting into the position to reach her bottom? Does she have someplace very soft/padded/cushiony to be on while she tries to lift her leg to groom? Someplace comfortable for her lower back. I am glad to hear she's needing less Miralax now, that sounds good. :thumbup:
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I agree that the damage is probably from the original injury, but if her tail is a problem it can certainly be bobbed. My Razz is a bobtail, probably from birth, and has about 3 inches of tail. Less tail makes for easier diapering if you should do that, too.
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Hi Carol,

Thank you as always for your response. We just wanted to provide an update on young Spot. She is now a strong 6.2 pounds!

Long story short - we adjusted her medicine slightly (Cispride & Miralax) and had her tail removed. She still has 100% bladder control - she patiently held it on the way home until she got back to her litter box! We realized her main issue is that she has problems "pinching off" her #2's. She will go into the litter box to initiate but be unable to finish the job.

We have a bed for her which is where she will lay and unfortunately defecate. To remedy this, we have been putting the soft bed in a garbage bag and been placing Wee Pads on top of it. It definitely isn't as comfortable for her, but the alternative is really tough to live around. She ends up at least partially ripping through the bag. Maybe we could provide a second area for her to groom herself? Any ideas? We want to accommodate her as well as we can, but the mess is still a lot to deal with. But we love this cat!

I know she is still recovering, but we wish she would express more interest in exercise & exploring. Maybe that would strength her (pelvic floor?) muscles. We have gotten her scratch pads / puzzle treat toys and placed her in a large enclosure. But she mostly sleeps all day and hasn't explored her enclosure completely. She seems to really like the enclosure and her bed and loves food. But really hate the crate). but she hasn't explored the upper levels at all.

Anyway - thank you for reading this far if you have. We recognize there isn't that much more we can do besides encourage her to heal. It has now been a little over four months since we first took her to the hospital. She has certainly improved a lot since then. Maybe when she is in homeostasis, we can shave her behind and put her in a diaper so she can explore more.
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Hi! :D Of course I read it, are you kidding?! It's exciting to hear how things are going. And this is a lot of news. Glad she is growing and putting on weight. Glad her surgery went well. Very glad about the 100% bladder control. Woohoo!!!

Not surprised about being unable to pinch off. I have that a little bit with Libby. She will end up with some stool she can't fully push out, and she will scuff her bottom on the carpet to try to "toilet paper" it off with carpet. So we get skid marks. She does not have a serious injury like your kitty. I'm not sure what's going on with her besides chronic constipation. Yes, it's a mess, but I just keep cleaning up. (This is not a fancy house and we decorate for the pets here and I have pet-friendly carpet, but it would not work for everyone.) We tried cisapride but the pills had to be compounded and they were huge. She's on lactulose syrup. I've also tried Miralax, after hearing it was better, but I couldn't tell a difference.

That is interesting about her defecating in her bed. I have 2 small paralyzed dogs that do that. One cannot feel it and goes 24/7, and the other knows but has little advance warning before it happens. I do not know if this idea would help, but there is a product I saw awhile back and posted here. The maker is Pooch Pad. I've had 2 other products from them (a diaper and some underpads) and they were both good, so this might be. Haven't tried it or even seen it in person. It's a bed with removable and washable covers, that will be absorbent like their underpads. I can't tell, but the Pooch Pads (underpads) I have are kind of silky on the surface, and it looks like these are, too. They're not cheap but might be an answer for some pets. They make both a bed and a kennel mat, both look soft, both with washable covers.

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As far as her enclosure, it sure sounds like you've got a really elegant set-up for her. Is it possible she just doesn't climb because it's uncomfortable for her? I've only see the original videos you posted, which were a while ago, but she did look sore or stiff or achy when she tried to move. I don't know how she is now. I wonder if there are certain movements she does not like to do. Do you think she could climb if the levels were closer together? So she doesn't have to make such large jumps? Can you add intermediate steps somehow?

It is wonderful to hear how well she's doing, and how you've been able to get her to this point. I would think she is still healing. Four months seems like a while, but the pace of healing from nerve damage can be glacial. It kind of happens in the background where you don't see it.

If you figure out why she isn't climbing, I hope you will post. That's a mystery. It almost seems it must bother her somehow? Don't know...
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Anyway, congratulations on the progress!!! :angel:
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I winder about pee pads? Disposables can sometimes hold up to claws, especially the heavier human pads. Washable ones hold up nicely in our experience and are rather bed-like.
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Yeah, I have a stack of washable cotton quilted hospital underpads. They make a nice surface for incontinent pets to lie on and don't wrinkle as much as the disposable papery kind. If you're unsure about putting soiled bed linens in your washing machine, you might look at Lysol laundry sanitizer. It comes in scented or free and clear. They sell it at Walmart. Clorox makes one, too. I've tried the Lysol, haven't tried the Clorox. Or if one of you is in the medical profession, you could maybe ask what they use in the hospital laundry.
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I think you want to be careful about using bleach and what temperatures you use, when the item has a waterproof liner. I know with baby crib pads, if you use bleach it will eat right through the waterproof inner layer. But I guess it doesn't matter so much with a pet that is only soiling but not urinating.

With my dog blankets, I often have to pretreat (pre-rinse, or hose off) before putting them in the wash. Either that or run the load twice. If you have a laundry sink, you are lucky! :D

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You have to have some care with cat pee, in particular, & bleach anyway because if the ammonia/bleach thing. Pre-rinsing is always a good thing, if you ask me.
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CarolC wrote: Wed Apr 02, 2025 10:51 pm She will end up with some stool she can't fully push out, and she will scuff her bottom on the carpet to try to "toilet paper" it off with carpet. So we get skid marks. She does not have a serious injury like your kitty. I'm not sure what's going on with her besides chronic constipation. Yes, it's a mess, but I just keep cleaning up. (This is not a fancy house and we decorate for the pets here and I have pet-friendly carpet
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