Paralyzed dog with FCE

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Re: Paralyzed dog with FCE

Post by critters » Sun May 19, 2019 5:31 am

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Re: Paralyzed dog with FCE

Post by CarolC » Sun May 19, 2019 8:49 pm

Oh, Thank Goodness! Woohoo!!!!! :yay: And I was just looking, this began around Feb 7-8, so you waited over 12 weeks before the therapist thought she had deep pain, and 14 weeks till it was clear. Wow! This is the best news.

You mentioned her little mid-air squat when you go to express. You may start to notice her "helping" when you express, especially if you give her a verbal cue when you are about to start.

I like the fact that the therapist was suspecting it, and was right. That kind of gives confidence about the therapist in a way, don't you think?

Healing continues for a long time. Not weeks, or even months, but literally years. So glad for the good news!!!

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Re: Paralyzed dog with FCE

Post by Rescuedogmom » Sun May 19, 2019 9:40 pm

Yes I am so very hopeful she may start to help us with peeing. It’s strange even though she does now have deep pain she cannot feel me touch her low back and makes no indication of having control or ability to stand. Could it be that it’s very diminished and she isn’t feeling much yet? What do you think is next to come? The awesome therapist who said she has it also said we only have a couple weeks left to make the most improvements. I know you have seen differently, so I am just grateful she had regained it and know she can recover more. How I wish I could tell the neuro vet we saw the second day who told me her spine was “dead” and to put her down that it most definitely isn’t. Wow this has been a long few months but celebrating these small improvements! Thank you as always for being such a resource!

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Re: Paralyzed dog with FCE

Post by CarolC » Mon May 20, 2019 12:56 pm

You're probably right that she doesn't have full feeling yet. As feeling returns, if you notice her beginning to lick or chew on any areas, that is a temporary phase some dogs go through and it can be treated with medication.

I don't know what will come next, but I'm hoping she will begin to move one or both hind legs in hydrotherapy? Do you get to actually watch her when she goes to her session? Do you know if she's using her hind feet in the water yet?

Standing up is a pretty complicated thing, and I have never seen anything scientific about what I am going to say, but I *feel* like a long-bodied, short-legged dog has an easier time standing up because less balance is needed, while a more square built dog with shorter back and longer legs needs more balance to stand up because the center of gravity is higher off the ground. I could be wrong. If there is any truth in that, it's another reason why hydrotherapy is a help. Actual swimming requires no balance. The treadmill requires different degrees of balance depending on how high the water level is.

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Re: Paralyzed dog with FCE

Post by Rescuedogmom » Mon May 20, 2019 3:11 pm

You’re so right it’s hard to know what will come. She doesn’t respond to the toe skin pinch test but did to the large needle so I’m thinking it’s the very beginning of it returning. There is no kicking in her hydrotherapy but he did say he hamstring muscle are firing up we just want to see her pull her knee forward or kick with her leg. It’s great because I am with her he entire therapy session and he is so knowledgeable and shares exactly what’s happening.

That makes sense about standing I feel like she is square bodied. I hope she can start to notice her feet again. I am sure that will be a good start.

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Re: Paralyzed dog with FCE

Post by Rescuedogmom » Tue May 28, 2019 11:43 pm

Hi quick update/ opinion? As you know Stella had a bladder infection back in April and we finished antibiotics around May 5 and she has been great. The past week I did notice a bit of clear discharge but no odor or leaking urine so I wasn’t alarmed. Today I noticed that the discharge after expressing her had a slight green tint to it :cry: . Do you think this could mean she has an infection again? I’m going to watch for one more day and then get a culture again if it looks off. Such a bummer we had our carpets cleaned for her so the only places her bum touches is when we are out at appts (usually diaper her) or once at a family members house last week.

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Re: Paralyzed dog with FCE

Post by CarolC » Wed May 29, 2019 10:57 am

Not sure about this. You do not always notice an odor with a UTI, I've had that happen twice. I don't think I've heard anyone describe a green tinge before? My one dog will often pass a kind of a clear mucus plug at the beginning of expressing but her urine is healthy. If you ask me, it's harder to tell what's going on with a female dog because the urinary tract and reproductive tract join inside the dog and share the same exit. On a human female you can more easily tell whether something is urinary or related to the reproductive system because they are separate. Here's a drawing.

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Hopefully it's not another UTI, especially if the symptoms are different, but I agree I would probably get it checked or ask about it if you keep noticing it. I've never heard of green with a UTI, so I hope you will update if you find out what it was.

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Re: Paralyzed dog with FCE

Post by Rescuedogmom » Thu May 30, 2019 10:01 am

So the green yellow tint went away and it went back to a clear discharge but I took her in anyway this morning for her ultrasound and urine draw. I will let you know the results. The ultrasound bladder image looked the exact same as it did last time which is very cloudy and almost like what I imagine mucous floating in there. My vet wasn’t there and another came in and said it looked like something was off but then didn’t know Stella was even paralyzed when I asked they express her. I told them to forget it and I would just do it myself. I am just going to wait to hear from my vet and the results. It is still upsetting but Stella doesn’t seem unhappy or uncomfortable so I just don’t know. Truth be told I am fine with her not walking as I have lots of tools for her mobility just praying she gets bladder control back so she doesn’t have to go through this.

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Re: Paralyzed dog with FCE

Post by CarolC » Thu May 30, 2019 7:06 pm

I'm still hoping it isn't another UTI, but there are a number of things people do to try to prevent them. One is to adjust the pH of the urine. Personally I haven't done that very much. If the urine is either too acid or too alkaline, you can set the dog up for stones or crystals, which is a whole 'nother problem I don't want to create. I have used cranberry a little bit, kind of "as needed" when I suspected there might be a UTI starting, but I have not used it on a routine basis. You have to be careful with any human supplements. I found that a cranberry supplement I used to use was reformulated so it now contains xylitol, a sweetener that is toxic to dogs, so you always have to read the label. Though now they have a lot of such products marketed for pets.

There is another supplement called D-mannose which helps keep bacteria from adhering to the lining of the bladder. It sounds too good to be true, but if you research it you can see it is supported by reputable vets. Here is one example.

https://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/h ... -dogs.aspx

One of our moderators was a university chemistry professor and she also recommended it.

viewtopic.php?f=9&t=17195&p=89818&hilit=mannose#p89818

In my experience with 2 paralyzed dogs, the incidence of UTI has been about 1 per year without a diaper and one every 2.5 years with a diaper. It can depend on so many things, including how hard the dog is to express and what position the dog drags in (for example legs trailing behind would get less dirt on the bottom than moving in a seated-with-legs-forward postion.

It also depends on the environment. For example one person here had a working dog that herded livestock in a wheelchair and loved to swim in the creek, and was getting exposed to bacteria in the creek, but the dog loved to swim. It can take a while to figure out where the dog is picking up the germs.

I used to even wonder about our beloved PT place. I loved it and loved the gals that did the PT and loved everything about it, but I think people walked through the rest of the hospital and probably picked up normal or hospital bacteria on their feet and then tracked some of that into the rehab area onto the mats. But that's just another example of why it's good to express when you come home from anyplace.

Is Stella spayed? I can't remember if you said. My dog got UTI's when she was in season, but since she's been spayed we don't have that problem any more.

For what it's worth, most dogs do not end up having long term problems with UTI's, which is probably little comfort right now when you are wondering if there is one. We had one male dog here named Waffles who was hard to express and had to be catheterized for a long time, and he was on a low dose of antibiotic for over a year, if I remember correctly. There have been a few people here (Pam and her dog Riley is one example) whose vets had their dog on antibiotic pulse therapy, which is one week on and 2-3 weeks off. I don't know how common that is, usually it isn't needed.

I'm still hoping she will get to where she can start helping you express, and with both of you doing it she can get even more empty and the problem may largely take care of itself. If you go to express and either count down or give a verbal cue, (I use "Ready, Freddy?") and then express, she will know when to help if she develops some ability to do so.

Don't blame you for wanting to stick with one vet if they didn't even read the record apparently. *sigh* :roll:

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Re: Paralyzed dog with FCE

Post by Rescuedogmom » Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:44 pm

HI thank you for that information. We got the results back and it is in fact another uti but a totally different kind. The first time it was ecoli and proteus and this time it is a staph infection. I cannot understand how/where she got this and it breaks my heart. I got her medicine cefpodoxime and am also thinking of starting her on the meds that make it easier for her to be expressed to make sure nothing is getting left behind. I actually had started her on crananidin which is cranberry pills for dogs last week. I have wondered about all the places I take her and who knows what she is microscopically exposed too. I am going to try and stay diligent and keep everything as clean as possible as I have been doing.. Meds are for 30 days but we are getting another culture in 3 weeks to check progress. She is spayed and I will keep you posted on how she is doing it was strange there were really no symptoms like the first time she had one. Other than the uti she is in good spirits and I purchased a hind halter to walk her with and she loves getting out with that. She is still not a fan of the wheelchair. Sadly no updates on further mobility changes/improvements and no awareness of her legs /feet yet.

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Re: Paralyzed dog with FCE

Post by CarolC » Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:03 am

OK. Frustrating only partly covers it. Well, good thing you caught it. Thanks for explaining what it turned out to be, I appreciate the information. I'm very glad you know exactly what the bug is, and have the medication for that exact type of infection. The expressing medication might be worth a try. Right now having an easier time expressing would be great. I think one pretty universal thing is to try to encourage the dog to drink more to keep the bladder flushed out if you can. There was a discussion about how mucus can sometimes be a benign condtion, but I also know of a case (with a cat) where it was associated with an infection. I guess that is why you can't just assume, you need to have such things checked. Glad you are doing a recheck before the end of the medication. I'm just sorry that now it is 3 weeks of more tension you didn't need, waiting to be sure you are getting it cleared up. If she is in good spirits, that is an encouraging sign!!
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