Paralyzed dog with FCE

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Paralyzed dog with FCE

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Hi there. Apologies for the long novel however want to give the whole story so far. On February 7th my dog started walking oddly as if on her toes around 430 pm. I called the vet to get an anti inflammatory before they closed as they didn’t have any appointments by Friday the 8th she was having a horrible time walking so we raced her to the vet who said she probably had an issue in her neck like IVDD and gave us pain meds but did not suggest X-rays. By midnight I woke suddenly to find my dog in the middle of the room paralyzed from her rib cage down and she had gone to the bathroom. We looked up a specialist neuro vet and took her there first thing Saturday morning. They then suggested a $12000 surgery that may give her a 5% chance of walking but suggested we euthanize her right there and she has no deep pain sensation.This was absolutely devastating and its hard to explain the emotions and pain we went through but I was not satisfied with that option and we took her home and decided to seek alternate treatment as she is our child and the light of our lives. We rescued her 7.5 years ago and she is a 25 lb mix approx 10 years in age now. The next day Sunday we went back to the vet and asked about alt treatments they have a class 4 laser there and I was also going to seek acupuncture for her. She had laser that day and acupuncture at another vet on Monday and laser agin Tuesday and we went to our amazing acupuncture vet and I told her that when I touched Stella’s back it was weeping. She said they were probably burning her with the laser and since she couldn’t feel didn’t make a noise. I raced back to the vet they shaved her low back and sure enough her skin had been burned off. It was horrifying and heartbreaking to see as this was such a traumatic week. On top of which I had to learn to express her bladder which I found challenging. That is when the original vet did X-rays and said she had FCE not ivdd and her spine looked fine. It has been countless sleepless nights since then and we have pursued acupuncture several times a week as well as two physical therapy appointments. She still does not have deep pain and is starting to move around better using her front legs only. I feel like I have a routine down now after taking a lot of time off of work and getting a babysitter etc she did end up getting a bladder infection and was prescribed 3 weeks or clavamox she still has 7 days left. We are getting her wheels and I support her hind end and take her on mini walks because she loves walks and we used to go several miles a day. Everyone except our acupuncture vet thinks she will not recover. I am trying to stay positive and believe she will. She has lost a lot of muscle and is so thin where paralyzed from muscle atrophy. I have a tens unit which I have been using and doing all excercises plus chinese herbs, nueroplex, cbd. When I touch and push on her feet she does not push back and I get so sad. She is over 5 weeks now and now her legs shake a bit when manually extended or when I hold her legs straight in a standing position. they do not move otherwise and she still does not have bladder control. I am looking for hope that she will walk again one day or at least regain bladder control. I am committed to her whatever her progress is but praying she can walk again. I have scoured the blog and other dogs with fce seem to have progressed so far already and we have not which is discouraging. Any help hope or advice is appreciated!
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Hi,

I would like to ask what kind of a mix of breeds you think she might be? And was she having any issues with her front legs when this happened? And if she seemed uncomfortable or in any pain, how long did that last? Did it seem to last more than a day or two?

I hope you will find some calm and sanity here, because I can't believe how unhelpful a lot of what you went through was, and the part about the laser is just...I don't even know the words. It would make me think of filing a complaint if I wasn't so busy trying to take care of my dog first. I haven't heard of a class 4 laser, I've only heard of cold laser therapy for dogs.

It sounds like when you took her in and asked for an anti-inflammatory, they gave you a pain med and sent you home because they were trying to close and her symptoms didn't look that bad just then. I am so glad you took her and left after that other appointment. It is hard to understand in this day and age how any veterinary hospital that is advanced enough to do a $12,000 spinal surgery can think the only alternative is euthanasia. That is so backward, especially when it isn't a giant breed dog and the owner is stating willingness to care for her. Shame on them, really. I am very surprised.

I am glad someone finally at least did an x-ray. However, an x-ray is not the most definitive way to find or rule out a disk problem. A disk is a little cushion between 2 vertebrae and if you have a disk that has flattened, you may see the vertebrae closer together than usual on the x-ray, and it sounds like they didn't so that's good, but it does not necessarily prove there is no disk problem. If you are looking for a disk problem then advanced imaging like a CT or MRI would be more useful. In the past a myelogram was considered the gold standard. It is riskier than an CT or MRI but was good for diagnosis and cost less than an MRI or CT (if they were available).

An FCE is good news, if they are sure that is what it is. FCE is a diagnosis of exclusion, where they rule out other causes and are left with that. It doesn't sound like they've really done the kind of imaging that would truly rule out a disk problem? When you were at the hospital that wanted to do a $12,000 surgery did they do any imaging there? From what I understand, some hospitals won't do an MRI unless you have already consented to surgery if needed, because they sedate for the imaging and then want to go right into surgery if they find anything with the imaging. But it would have been nice in the beginning to be as sure of what you are dealing with as possible.

The treatment for FCE is physical therapy, and the treatment for a disk is either 6-8 weeks of crate rest and medication, or surgery, depending on how bad it is. I'm not a vet, but from what I understand, if the pain was very short-lived, that makes it more likely it was an FCE. If she's still having pain, it is more likely not an FCE.

It is wonderful you were able to take time off and get her home care started. There is such a learning curve when this first happens, but it sounds like you have already done most of that. It is not surprising if she got a Urinary Tract Infection after a couple of weeks, the same thing happened with my dog. It just takes time to get good at expressing, but fortunately dogs do survive our learning curve. :) Is she fairly easy to express, or does it seem to take a lot of pressure?

The thing that has been so helpful for so many dogs is hydrotherapy. Dogs have a response where if the front legs are moving, it sends a signal to the hind legs and can cause them to move, too. Swimming is good exercise and does not require any balance. With her size, you might be able to swim her in a small pool or hot tub. There are canine physical therapy places, too, with a pool or underwater treadmill if you can afford it. The muscle in the legs does come back when the neurological status improves, so atrophy isn't necessarily permanent.

They say every FCE is different so there isn't really any way to know the timeline of recovery for any individual dog. If it is an FCE, my dog's physical therapist says 85% of cases of FCE will make a recovery, and of those that don't, either the dog gave up or the owner did. She says keeping the dog's spirits up is key. The ability to feel deep pain sensation can return not just weeks, but even months after an injury, so there is good reason to stay positive like you said. I could go on and on, but this is long enough. Sorry for so many questions!

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HI thank you SO much for replying. I have wanted to post since this happened but just did not have the energy. We did a DNA test once and it said min pin mix chi mix and some sort of herding dog mix. She is quite unique looking and beautiful long brown legs but a sturdy wide long body. She seemed to have been in pain only for the first 24 hours, I was confused about pain because she would panic when being picked up but that I am told by the Vet was because she couldn't feel her hind legs. She doesn't seem to be in any pain at all however she is quite a stoic dog and wouldn't yelp anyway so it is difficult to tell. She never had any issues with her front legs being weak her bark was initially changed but after two weeks sounded strong again. You are correct in that the surgery would have included an MRI but grateful we didn't go through as that didn't end up (as far as we know) being IVDD. Both our vet and the neuro vet recommended euthanasia because of quality of life/ amount of work it would be. Its crazy this is their first response. We found our acupuncture Vet who is truly amazing and she said absolutely not and to keep up with treatments + cold laser which she has been doing post other vets laser burn. I was so angry when that happened I was going to complain but didn't have the energy in me. He actually did the Xrays for free because he felt so bad for the severe damage. Ill post pics at some point. SO FCE is what our main vet concluded since Xrays looked normal and absence of pain.

As far as the expressing she was and is a bit difficult to express until one day she started leaking everywhere and had crystals in her pee I actually knew from reading posts on this site that it was an infection and raced her in again. I still don't know if I am doing it 100% right but doing it 5 times a day to keep it as empty as possible. Stella wouldn't drink water for the first three weeks and I had to syringe in into her mouth and keep logs so I knew how much water she was getting, but now she will drag herself to the bowls and drink thank god!

SHe currently gets acupunture 2-3 times a week and I have also taken her twice to a physical therapist who gave me exercises to do and said if she had another major milestone/step to bring her in again. there has been some progress since it happened but they seem like the tiniest improvements. Now if i take my nails and scratch her tail it will move a bit + the leg trembling when extending her legs. She also has anal tone and will lift her tail when having a bowel movement. She still cannot feel any of it though. THe physical therapy place the pool doesnt open until May. Stella has a horrid fear of water and we tried putting her in the bath but she has meltdowns when we do. I will try and give it another go and see if I can buy a lifevest too.

Thank you so much again for responding! We are off to acupuncture today so I look forward to seeing if she has progressed since last week!
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Rescuedogmom wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:44 pm Replying in blue...

HI thank you SO much for replying. I have wanted to post since this happened but just did not have the energy. We did a DNA test once and it said min pin mix chi mix and some sort of herding dog mix. She is quite unique looking and beautiful long brown legs but a sturdy wide long body. None of those sound like breeds that are especially prone to disk problems though it can happen to any breed. She seemed to have been in pain only for the first 24 hours, I was confused about pain because she would panic when being picked up but that I am told by the Vet was because she couldn't feel her hind legs. She doesn't seem to be in any pain at all however she is quite a stoic dog and wouldn't yelp anyway so it is difficult to tell. She never had any issues with her front legs being weak her bark was initially changed but after two weeks sounded strong again.

OK, that would agree with FCE, having pain only the first 24 hours. Granted some dogs do not show pain as much but I have a feeling you would know if she was.

Again I am absolutely not a vet, and FCE is sounding more likely from what you have said, but I did notice the comment about her bark. There is a condition called coonhound paralysis where one of the signs is the bark can be weak or lost, and it causes paralysis with rapid muscle atrophy, though I don't think they normally need to be expressed, and they don't lose pain sensation. Tick paralysis can also affect the voice.

One thing about coonhound paralysis is it also affects the front legs, and you mentioned she never seemed weak in the front legs. I just wondered because at the first vet appt the vet thought it might be something in her neck, possibly IVDD. The usual reason someone might suspect a neck problem is pain/stiffness when the vet manipulates her head, or symptoms in the front legs such as knuckling under when walking, scraping her nails walking, or delayed response when he flips her front paw upside down and waits to see how long it takes her to put back it into the correct pads-down position. I don't know why he thought it was something in her neck, but if he was seeing anything related to her front legs, that is worth thinking about. If it was a disk in the neck, that tends to be seriously painful and is unlikely to only last 24 hours.


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You are correct in that the surgery would have included an MRI but grateful we didn't go through as that didn't end up (as far as we know) being IVDD. Both our vet and the neuro vet recommended euthanasia because of quality of life/ amount of work it would be. Its crazy this is their first response. We found our acupuncture Vet who is truly amazing and she said absolutely not and to keep up with treatments + cold laser which she has been doing post other vets laser burn. I was so angry when that happened I was going to complain but didn't have the energy in me. Understandable! He actually did the Xrays for free because he felt so bad for the severe damage. Ill post pics at some point. SO FCE is what our main vet concluded since Xrays looked normal and absence of pain.

As far as the expressing she was and is a bit difficult to express until one day she started leaking everywhere and had crystals in her pee I actually knew from reading posts on this site that it was an infection and raced her in again. I still don't know if I am doing it 100% right but doing it 5 times a day to keep it as empty as possible. Stella wouldn't drink water for the first three weeks and I had to syringe in into her mouth and keep logs so I knew how much water she was getting, but now she will drag herself to the bowls and drink thank god!

OK, all good. This gets a little long but anyway...some dogs are easier to express than others. It partly has to do with the size of the dog and whether she is overweight, and even body build. But on a more basic level it also has to do with the nature of the "injury". There are upper motor neuron injuries and lower motor neuron injuries. For example with a disk injury or spinal fracture, where the injury is clearly localized, an injury in the lower lumbar or tail area tends to produce a dog that is easy to express (and she may dribble constantly and need diapers). An injury in the upper back area produces a dog that is hard to express because the sphincters are tight, and she won't dribble and it will be harder to get anything out of her. For these dogs, medication may be helpful. There is medication that can relax the sphincters and medication that can improve bladder tone.

The problem for most of us is that when our dog needs expressing we have nothing to compare it to. We don't know whether she is hard or easy to express because she is the only dog we have ever tried to express. If this is the case with you, one idea is to have someone express Stella who is good at it and has done other dogs. This may be a vet, or very likely it may be a vet tech. They can tell you if she is really technically difficult, or if it is just a case that you are still getting used to it. My dog was very hard to express and I didn't know they weren't all like that and nobody ever told me or offered medication, and I didn't even know there was medication. That being said, I think most dogs seem hard to express when we are doing it for the first time, but it's just a thought. If she has tight sphincters, it would be good to know.

If you are not quite sure if you are getting her empty because you are still learning, that is normal, join the crowd. :D One way to test that is by an "express check". When you are at the vet, just tell them you are still not sure if you are getting her empty enough. You express her as well as you can, then have someone who is good at it (the vet or an experienced vet tech for example) try right after you and see if they get any more out.

If you think you are pretty much getting her empty with your current schedule of 5x a day, then that's great. It's really good that she is drinking on her own now, it will help keep her bladder flushed out.


SHe currently gets acupunture 2-3 times a week and I have also taken her twice to a physical therapist who gave me exercises to do and said if she had another major milestone/step to bring her in again. there has been some progress since it happened but they seem like the tiniest improvements. Now if i take my nails and scratch her tail it will move a bit + the leg trembling when extending her legs. She also has anal tone and will lift her tail when having a bowel movement. She still cannot feel any of it though. THe physical therapy place the pool doesnt open until May. Stella has a horrid fear of water and we tried putting her in the bath but she has meltdowns when we do. I will try and give it another go and see if I can buy a lifevest too.

I can sympathize about the water. With my dog, I tried to do hydrotherapy with her in the bathtub but she totally panicked and it wasn't worth frightening her that much. I tried to do it in a kiddy swimming pool which she didn't mind because she could see out, but we have a bee problem in this area and the water attracted bees, so we couldn't do that either. Here is our experience with hydrotherapy:
http://handicappedpet.net/helppets/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=9973&p=50228#p50228 wrote:My dog has been helped greatly by hydrotherapy on an underwater treadmill. They got her used to it by putting her in for 5 minutes, then 10 minutes, then 15 minutes, building up to 30 minutes. She was so scared one time she started hyperventilating and we had to take her out and get her calmed down. Now she loves it so much she squeals when we are still on the highway getting close to the rehab place.

Thank you so much again for responding! We are off to acupuncture today so I look forward to seeing if she has progressed since last week!

Yes! You mentioned there has been some progress but they seem like the tiniest improvements. That is a perfect description of how recovery is. It's by baby steps. An accumulation of tiny little gains, not every day, maybe not even every week, but you celebrate every little improvement, and one day you look back and see how far you have come.
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Hi
I am sorry to hear about your poor baby. My dog suffered from ANNPE which is an acute non compressive disk herniation. Very similar symptoms to FCE and the same treatments advised. The initial diagnosis was FCE but an MRI confirmed the disk ruptured.
She too had severe almost immediate muscle waste and complete paralysis mid back down with no deep pain sensation and no bladder/bowel control.
5 weeks later she still had no deep pain sensation and only very small improvements, the neurologist said it was unlikely to return now, 6 months later however, she has started to walk around in a drunken stagger and lots of new leg movements, her muscles have started to come back, although this is taking a long time. The biggest improvement came after being prescribed steroids of severely itchy paws caused by an allergy, this may have been a coinsidence or there may still be inflammation.
I didn't think we would get to this stage so don't give up hope it just can take a long time.
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Hi thank you both for the replies and encouragement! We are six weeks as of friday and no major changes yet. I have noticed that when I touch her tail with my nails it has a much stronger flicking /lifting response although she still cannot feel it. Also when I put my finger in her paws her nails curl a bit which is new as well. Today is the last day of her clavamox thankfully so after 20 days I cannot wait to try and get her microbiome flourishing again. As far as expressing it is still a bit difficult, the vet techs at our vet that burned her with the laser had a hard time. the acupuncture vet who is a dvm as well and who we love has to put quite a bit of pressure too to have it released. I have heard about the medicine but am hesitant to give her another pill right away. I am open to it down the line if we still have issues but I do feel like I am getting her mostly empty.

Jenna123- at what point did your dog regain bladder control? Did you see a large improvement as a certain week?

Staying hopeful over here. We are finally going to order her wheelchair this week so looking forward to trying that out!
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Help!!!

Stella finished a 3 week anti biotic course for a uti this past Monday, it is now Friday and she started leaking urine again! does she have another infection?? Do I need to bring her back in. I’m asking because she started leaking at the 3 week mark signaling her first uti. I am so so stressed and praying it is not that again.
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I wouldn't panic too much. Really, UTIs are usually more of an inconvenience than anything, but I'd think it would be a good idea to get her checked again to see if it really cleared up or if she still has it.

In general, UTIs are usually cleared up pretty easily with antibiotics. If the antibiotic didn't work, sometimes you need a longer course or a different medication. There are 2 ways for the vet to check an infection. One is the testing s/he does in office. That is usually all you need. If a UTI is not responding to treatment, there is another test that can be done called a "urine culture" (you may already know this, sorry if you do) where they collect the specimen and send it off to a lab where it is cultured. This takes longer and costs more, but when they get the results they know exactly what kind of bug is causing the infection and therefore exactly which type(s) of antibiotic will knock it out. So if you take her back in, it is possible your vet may try a longer course or a different med, and it is possible you may want to consider a culture, it will be up to them. They may also want to start her on a med and then tell you to bring her in for a recheck before she is done with the antibiotic to see if it needs to be continued longer next time.

The other side of this is to try to figure out if there is something making her more susceptible to a repeat UTI. The first thing to consider is the most common one, not getting her fully empty when expressing. I would think since you have been doing this since early February you have had plenty of practice, and you did say she was somewhat difficult, and you really might want to consider a medication to make her easier to express so you can get her empty better. It's just an idea, I'm not a vet. Some dogs are harder to express than others, and it totally isn't your fault.

I think I mentioned an express check? Still might be a good idea. The caregiver expresses, then the vet does it right after to check if he can get more out. Believe me, when the vet expressed right after I had done it and got a flood, nobody was more surprised than me. I had been very conscientious, but that didn't mean I was getting it all. You mentioned you feel you are getting her pretty empty and that may very well be true. You could check it to be sure. If the vet staff were having difficulty, it sounds like she's not easy. It was the same in the beginning with my dog. Sometimes it's not your technique that is the problem, sometimes you just have a dog who is technically difficult to express. If you are getting her empty, then you are left being Sherlock Holmes and trying to figure out what else might be contributing to it.

Another thing to consider, and it may not apply to your dog, but if she drags, is she getting her private area dirty from the floor or yard. Different dogs will drag in different positions, so some will get more contact between the private area and the floor than others. If you suspect she is picking up dirt from the floor/grass/sidewalk, etc., you may want to consider a diaper, not for urine but just to keep her clean. If she isn't leaking then no need for a pad, but just something between her and the environment. In my experience it is a good idea to express when you come home from anyplace, in case any dirt and germs got massaged up into the urethra during the outing. (It's kind of the same principle as when they tell married women to pee after s*x).

In case you decide to try a diaper, since she's a female dog you want to be sure there is an adequate tail hole for solids to drop out, because you do not want fecal germs contaminating the private area and possibly causing an infection.

I am sorry you have to deal with this again. Normally there is no cause for panic, it isn't like a 5-alarm fire, but it can be frustrating. The best way to see if she still has a UTI (or has one again) would be to take her in. It's frustrating, but I'd look at it as just a bump in the road, things are likely to turn out well in the end.
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Thank you so much for replying! I feel like I’m a constant nervous wreck. I will try and take her in; I am going to switch vets at this point as she is more or less stable and on the road to recovery as I am still upset about them burning her. I beyond appreciate all your detailed information. I am going to ask my acu vet to express check her on Tuesday at our next appointment.

She does drag herself around the house I have been diligent about cleaning the wood floor and washing her blankets and the towels she lays on. I am pretty ocd and try to monitor where she sits. I put a diaper on her today I bought them at petsmart they usually fall off I need to get creative and try suspenders or the drag bag. The only thing i can think of is upstairs we have carpet and I’m not sure how clean carpet can ever actually be. Thank you for calming me I will post an update soon while I monitor it. Going to have her wear diapers anywhere she goes now.
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I'm sure your floors at home :mop: are a lot cleaner than out in public, even the carpet.:vacuum: Still, unless you live Japanese style where guests remove their footwear at the door, it's just hard to prevent dust from being tracked in. :pardon:

It's great that you already found a diaper. One trick to keep diapers on is with those clippy elastic straps like you use to keep the cover on the ironing board or the sheets on the bed. Here is a photo of a dog with her diaper attached to her nylon chest harness with a strap (from the Dogs to Go website). I remember someone here even got lucky and found the straps at Dollar Tree one time. There are examples on walmart.com under sheet straps or sheet grippers, or sock garters (for longer ones).
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Another option is Joybies piddle pants if you can afford them. The thing I like is the design, because if you have a fairly small dog you will be picking her up in kind of a football carry, and you can carry her better without clothing or a harness getting in the way of your hand when you reach under her to scoop her up. If that makes sense? And it looks comfortable.
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On the drag bags, I *finally* ordered a drag bag for my dog to keep her diaper dry when she wants to go outside in the wet grass in the morning. And then it didn't work because I didn't get the right size. :roll: The chart showed weight and length and I ordered one that was 9-12 lbs and she is 8 lbs, and it was way too small. I could not even get it fastened around her neck and if I could have got it on her, it would have been too small in the waist, which was elastic. I wrote to the company suggesting they should also include waist and neck measurements on their order form, but so far they haven't changed it. I think a drag bag is a great idea if you can get the size right.

Some people just put baby onesies on their pets to keep diapers on. You see them at the thrift shop all the time. :D Here is a vintage webpage with ideas on how to make britches and scooters for a dog out of kid's clothing.

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Thank you for those great ideas. I tried to get a onesie at target 18 Mo was the largest and it was too small so it didn’t work.

Exactly about the floors we try and be mindful of not wearing shoes but that doesn’t always happen :( plus carpet isn’t very hygenic.

I will look into those iron board clips!! I appreciate how creative you are! Her diaper stayed on all day today. It’s been a roller coaster of a day. I noticed a drop of mucous after I expressed her so I kept the diaper on to monitor if I saw any more (not as of yet). Then we finally received and built her Walkin wheels wheelchair and were testing it out around the house and were giving her a treat as instructed, she got so excited she jumped up and filpped her wheelchair and landed on her back. I’ve been a nervous wreck since and just feel sick that it happened so fast. She seems ok and has eaten dinner since but I’m just praying she is ok after that. Ugh We can’t seem to catch a break. I hate this constant worry and I love her more than words could describe.

Thank you for being an ear and for advice. it’s hard to talk to family and friends they cannot really understand.
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Hi, How is she this morning? I started to write a long post, but I really just want to know if she seems to be doing OK....

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Hi thank you so much for checking. She seems to be ok. I checked to make sure we still have the same level of reflex movement and we did. She was happy and alert and no pain that I know. I am still going to monitor for anything out of the ordinary. It really did cause me a heart attack. My poor baby :( I had to work today so I will try and do her tens unit tonight if she is feeling I’ll for it
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OK, very good to hear!
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I had to use turtleneck Onesies with mine, so they didn't slide out the neck hole. :twisted:

I LOVE the Joybies diapers. So cute!
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