Incontinent (Urine/Stool) Cat with Chronic UTIs

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Incontinent (Urine/Stool) Cat with Chronic UTIs

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So, I've been a long time lurker on this forum - it has helped me IMMENSELY in taking care of the kitten (now cat) that wandered into my life two years ago.

This is Ruthless Bader "Tallulah" Ginsburg:

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I found her in a cemetery when she was off in a bad way. I searched for her mother, but she was all by herself. Her tail hung limp, she was leaking fluid from her rear end, and her anus was distended and swollen with maggots and fly eggs. I took her to the emergency vet, got her sorted out, and then brought her home for recovery. She's been with me ever since.

Tallulah has never had much control over her bladder or her bowels. She doesn't normally void, instead she holds onto the urine until it leaks. And her stools are little cannon balls of poo: round and firm (but not hard). The vets she's seen over the years have checked her for an ectopic uterer and other congenital abnormalities, but as far as anyone can tell, her incontinence is a result of some spinal trauma she suffered as a kitten. She can move her tail from side to side, but she can never lift it.

Because of her continence issues, Tallulah suffers from frequent urinary tract infections. Her first urinary tract infection wasn't diagnosed by a veterinarian until she was about six months old and they were going in to spay her. They noticed her bladder was scarred and shriveled, and did a culture, gave her clavamox, and then we were off to the races. Since then, she's had urinary tract infections about every 3 months, or she did until spring of this year (2014). Tallulah had a new infection, each resistant to the last antibiotic she was on, about every month from February to June. If she was given clavamox for the staph infection, her e.coli infection would be resistant to clavamox but not zeniquin. Then when she got another e.coli infection, it would be resistant to zeniquin, not clavamox. Ultimately, her regular team of vets threw up their hands and said there was little that they could do, and that she'd have to see a specialist.

After seeing the specialist in June, Tallulah is now expressed 3 times a day. Once in the morning when I get up for work (6 AM), immediately when I get home from work (5:30-6pm), and then right before I go to bed (10-11pm). So she'll go anywhere from 8 to 10 hours between expressions. She's on cosequin for her bladder health, Crananidin extract (1/4 tablet), and bethanacol (twice daily). We also did acupuncture for about six months, but there wasn't much improvement in her continence and her stress level went through the roof. She's also been on Royal Canin Urinary S/O exclusively for about a year. I bought the veterinary dipsticks to check her pH and blood count in the urine, and I keep a close eye on her behavior as best I can. She's prescheduled for urine cultures every three months (when things go right), but she always seems to come down with something shortly before, or almost immediately after the culture. (Edit: And as of 10/1/2014, she is also a diabetic and will be on insulin and prescription food.)

And yet despite all of our preventative efforts... she's still suffering from infections. After seeing the internist and having a clean bill of health in June and July, she had another infection in August. And then with another clean bill noted less than two weeks ago, she has developed yet another infection (or it may be the same infection). I feel like an utter failure that there's nothing that I can do to stop these infections from happening.

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We've come a long way from the scruffy kitten that she was. And yet...she's only two, but she's had over six infections. I'm terrified that she'll become antibiotic resistant and that I'll have to put down my little princess. I want at least twenty years of companionship before I walk down that road. :)

As soon as she gets her labwork done, I'll schedule a meeting with her internist to discuss a plan of action. I know there are drugs on the table that are supposed to turn the urine into formaldehyde, and there's also antibiotic pulse therapy... but has anyone had any success with these treatments? With other treatments? Other supplements?
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What an amazing wonderful job you've done so far! She looks so happy and well in your comfort and care, and remember without you where she may be. I am also going through a very similar struggle, my vet suggested me moving her up to expressing at least every six hours but we are still experiencing infections roughly every three to five months.

Also, I would love to know what your vet's have said. Mine has become immune to clavamox and we're on to the next. I've been told by most vets she should just be put down, and I don't believe that is true!
Thank you.
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Thank you! It has been an extremely long road and a learning curve for the both of us.

One of the best decisions I think I've made was following through with the recommendation of our regular vet and finding a veterinary internal medicine specialist. I'm in the Northern Virginia area, so there are at least a handful to choose from. Absent that, I was told to go to a veterinary teaching school since they would have the equipment and staff for "special cases." If you like and trust your current vet, by all means, work with him! I take Tallulah in for her regular check ups with our regular vet, and then have her see the specialist for her bladder issues.

I am sorry to hear that your little one has become resistant to clavamox! My biggest nightmare is the resistance. I would be very happy to have the resistance on - resistance off pattern that I've seen with Tallulah this year: Clavamox/Zeniquin/Clavamox... But in the event that road ends, the internist had some other game plans, which you could discuss with your vet:

1. Chronic Antibiotic Therapy with nitrofurantoin could be effective. It has to be given every eight hours, but is available for long term use with UTIs. Apparently, bacteria do not usually become resistant to it.

2. Methenamine turns the urine into formaldehyde in an acidic urine. This sterilizes the urine. But urine pH has to be below 6.5 for it to be effective, so it requires a special diet and/or medications to keep the urine pH that low. Methenamine can be given long term to prevent recurrent UTIs.

3. Antibiotic pulse therapy requires antibiotics to be administered for one week, then off for 2-3 weeks, then on again for another week, with the time between dependent on the sensitivity of your pet. There's less of a chance of developing resistant infections with this regimen than with continuous administration, but resistance is still a problem.

Putting down is the absolute last resort of all last resorts. I'm glad you haven't listened to the naysayers!
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If she holds onto pee until leaking, like you say, bethanechol may not be the best med for her. My Buddy had a spastic (tight) bladder, and beth. made it TONS worse. The vet didn't believe it and took him home one weekend to secretly try him back on it, and she realized the same thing. We had a lot more luck with phenoxybenzamine (PBZ), which he took megadoses of and which helped to relax the spasms.
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Thank you so much for all the wonderful information! I'm still new and learning this process but have no doubt we can get a hang of this. We finally found a great vet that I feel very comfortable working with near me and another vet about an hour out from me I take her to when I'm really having a hard time. When I first got my little Grimm she was only just about 3 weeks old and I found her at the hands of some people who were attempting to get her run over by a car because "they didn't know what else to do with her." I never expected, nor did I know much about, incontinence in younger kitties. I do everything I can for her and express her at least 3 times a day, 4 if I can manage, and we still haven't been able to get rid of these infections. It really makes me feel like I'm failing her, and I don't believe that she should ever live a life any different than any other kitty.

You're little Tullulah looks so precious by the way, and I love her name!
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critters wrote:If she holds onto pee until leaking, like you say, bethanechol may not be the best med for her. My Buddy had a spastic (tight) bladder, and beth. made it TONS worse. The vet didn't believe it and took him home one weekend to secretly try him back on it, and she realized the same thing. We had a lot more luck with phenoxybenzamine (PBZ), which he took megadoses of and which helped to relax the spasms.
It isn't that she has a particularly tight bladder, but rather that she has very little bladder tone whatsoever. It just fills up, expands, and leaks. She's very easy to express.
katherinerose wrote:Thank you so much for all the wonderful information! I'm still new and learning this process but have no doubt we can get a hang of this. We finally found a great vet that I feel very comfortable working with near me and another vet about an hour out from me I take her to when I'm really having a hard time. When I first got my little Grimm she was only just about 3 weeks old and I found her at the hands of some people who were attempting to get her run over by a car because "they didn't know what else to do with her." I never expected, nor did I know much about, incontinence in younger kitties. I do everything I can for her and express her at least 3 times a day, 4 if I can manage, and we still haven't been able to get rid of these infections. It really makes me feel like I'm failing her, and I don't believe that she should ever live a life any different than any other kitty.

You're little Tullulah looks so precious by the way, and I love her name!
Good! I am so glad you have someone that you can trust with her help. You saved her from a very sad end; one that no little cat should have to meet. The best that we can do is learn as much as we can and work with professionals to try the right course of treatment. And the feeling of a failure is a struggle all too real - do I keep the house clean enough? Did I express enough? Was I home 10 minutes late? It is rough. We just have to hang in there. :)

Right now, we're waiting on the results of Tallulah's urine culture - which I hope will be today. She's on a course of zeniquin (marbo) to try and keep whatever infection she currently has at bay, but I suspect we'll be moving to a different antibiotic (maybe back to Clavamox, since she wasn't on that for the last infection). Once her infection is cleared up, she'll be on the nitrofurantoin. I'm logistically struggling with the every 8 hours - I'm an attorney in a litigation firm, and I'm lucky if the partners will let me squeak out after 9 hours. So I'm hoping there's a way to compound nitrofurantoin in a larger dose for 12 hours, otherwise, it looks like I'll be driving home at lunch time and driving back.

And the other good news (relatively speaking, since she did get an infection within a month of a previous one clearing up) is that Tallulah isn't diabetic at all. Blood work came back great.
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Now I see where her name came from with you being an attorney! :lol:

I hate to say it, but one thing I did after I got a pet that had to be expressed was (as you mentioned) I began going home for lunch every day. It was the only way I could get her expressed every 8 hours (turned out to be more like every 6 hrs with the trips home at lunch). I found I could let her go 9 or 10 hours as an exception once in a while, but that was truly an exception, not routine. The place I worked was a 12-13 minute drive each way, so lunch became whatever I could eat off the passenger seat of the car while driving. I developed a habit of getting something filling (at the drive thru) on my 15-min morning break so I would be fairly full by the time lunch rolled around so I would not mind that lunch was...saltines usually, or dollar store cookies. :D I know it's pointing out the obvious, but expressing every 6 hours also kept the bladder smaller. It was an adjustment, because before I had a paralyzed pet I was in the habit of sitting down to a very nice lunch at the Thai restaurant every day, and that became a permanent thing of the past. But I found I could still get Thai food on the way home after work. You adjust, you figure out ways to make it work. I feel that expressing every 8 hrs (or actually every 6) provided the foundation for bladder health. One thing that made it easier for me in the beginning was remembering a roommate I once had who said she got a bladder infection when she was flying because she didn't want to go to the restroom in the airplane so she simply waited too long, and that was what caused it.
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I agree 100% with what Carol says---my cat Simon who passed earlier this year due to his pulmonary/heart related issues, had severe deformities and as a kitten I would express him 5-6 times a day, once when getting up, right before I left for work (I am an attorney too, although I am self-employed and do contract work as a guardian ad litem and represent kids who are filed on with delinquency cases and obviously am in court alot), over the lunch hour or sometime during the afternoon when I could get home, in the evening before dinner and before bedtime. When he got older, I was doing 3x a day every 8 hours and on rare occasions 10 hours. In the almost 12 years I had him he had 2 URIs. I have other incontinent cats, some of whom just leak on their own unlike my one Harley who is like Simon and could not go unless he's expressed, 2 are in diapers because of they leak out but I express them too and change their diapers at least 3x a day. I make it work. I was shocked when I initially read that your 2 year old cat was diabetic and am glad that is not the case. I have 3 diabetics whom I adopted that way and have to test them 2x a day with insulin shots 2x a day. I am not familiar with some of the tests/treatments that the vets are putting you and your cat thru (I am a certified vet tech but have not practiced in that area in years although keep up with my certification) but I have very good vet who works with a no-kill shelter and she has never recommended any of that, particularly for one cat Glory whose issues had more to do with defecation and that's another story. When I read about prescription diets, are we speaking dry food---one of the things you can do for your cat and cats with kidney/URIs is give them a good quality wet food. I know from my diabetics and being with Diabetic Cats in Need that once the dry food was eliminated some of the cats went off the juice and most were better regulated. I commend you what you are doing but I really think you are going thru a lot when other things may help. I know trying to do what's best but I wonder about all this when you say the vets threw up their hands (may not be familiar in working with handicapped animals) and then specialists. The best recommendation I can give is what Carol already recommended as well as making sure your cat is on wet food. Good luck Diana
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My girl has bladder and incontinence issues and one big help in avoiding infection is D-Mannose. A dose of 1/8 tsp, twice a day is what I have been giving her. With all her problems, her urine cultures have been coming back negative, so I am assuming it is working. I know it works for humans who get UTI.

Here is a reference on it's use: http://www.neighborhoodcats.org/article/home/141
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